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Vermont's poet laureate endorsed Dennis Kucinich.

The Dean campaign was asked for a response, and issued a haiku.

How can you not love a candidate like that?

Date: 2003-07-12 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nsingman.livejournal.com
"No government?" You certainly made quick work of that straw man. Glad it wasn't mine. :-) Yes, you pay a government or a tyrant. However, few tyrants in history (including King George III) took as much in taxes as our federal government does now from upper income taxpayers.

I'd never consider moving to a place with no government. My life, and those of my wife and children, are much too precious to me. I'm a libertarian, not an anarchist. I want my taxes (and my government) greatly reduced, not eliminated entirely.

Date: 2003-07-12 07:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fairoriana.livejournal.com
Point well taken. I simply have a great appreciation for what the taxes I pay purchase in terms of a civil society.

What services the government currently provides are you hoping to relinquish?

Date: 2003-07-13 10:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nsingman.livejournal.com
A fair question. I believe that the purpose of government is to prevent the use of force from entering into human affairs. In other words, it exists to protect us from others - not from ourselves, and not from naturally occurring adverse circumstances.

Thus, I would limit government functions to the police, the courts and the military. In addition, I would greatly proscribe the scope of both existing laws (no laws against drugs or prostitution, no blue laws, etc.) and existing military action (no military adventures like Iraq, no standing troops in Europe or Asia, etc.).

Date: 2003-07-13 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fairoriana.livejournal.com
No public education? No public support of health care? No social services for the poor and elderly? What about infrastructure? Roads, airports, etc. What about foreign aid? (Food to the starving in Africa.) What about immigration services? While about the social services that protect children from abusive parents? What about the disabled?

Would you still have sent America to foreign soils for WWII? Would you still have NASA and defense research? Would you have the government play a role in certifying drug, consumer good and travel safety?

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Date: 2003-07-13 11:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
If this is going to devolve into an extended debate about libertarianism, I'd rather that didn't happen in my LJ.

Date: 2003-07-13 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nsingman.livejournal.com
Out of respect for [livejournal.com profile] rivka's journal, if you're interested in my answer to these, please feel free to email me at noah at singman dot net.

Date: 2003-07-13 11:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
If this is going to devolve into an extended debate about libertarianism, I'd prefer that it not happen in my LJ.

Date: 2003-07-13 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nsingman.livejournal.com
As you wish, of course.

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