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I went to the midwife today for my 23-week appointment. (I know that's a weird number, but they start visits at 8 weeks and then want you to come in every 5 weeks.)

Everything looks just great. The baby's heartbeat is strong and regular. My blood pressure is 108/62, which is fine, I don't have any swelling in my hands and feet, and I don't seem to be spilling any sugar or protein. She tested for anemia because of my problems with dizziness and shortness of breath, and my hemoglobin came back 13.6 - which is excellent. (Normal for a woman who isn't pregnant is 12.1-15.1, and normal for a pregnant woman is 11-12.) I guess all the red meat I've been eating has really paid off.

She thinks the shortness of breath is normal pregnancy stuff, and the dizziness is probably related to low blood sugar. She recommended that I have three snacks a day, avoid too much sugar at once, and eat protein at every meal and snack - so now I have to think of lots of easy high-protein snacks. It's too bad I'm trying to avoid deli meats (because of listeria) - otherwise that would be a great option. There's only so much cheese you can eat.

I am still two pounds under my pre-pregnancy weight, which has me a little worried. The midwife says I'm just slow getting started with my weight gain, and predicted that sometime in the next month I will start being ravenously hungry all the time and my weight will take care of itself. She's not at all concerned.

We spent some time talking about post-partum depression. I'm probably at higher risk, because I've had two mild depressive episodes before and because my sister had real trouble with it. Both of those things are predisposing factors. I wanted to know if there's anything I can do to reduce my chances of developing PPD after the baby is born. She said that the most important thing is to make sure I have a strong support system in place - including help with the baby, having someone else to do the cooking and housework, making sure I have opportunities to leave the house without the baby, and possibly joining a new mother's group. She also said that I might want to consider using formula for one night feeding, even though otherwise I'll be exclusively breastfeeding, because PPD is strongly linked to sleep deprivation. Finally, she gave me the name of a psychiatrist who regularly works with their practice and suggested that I might want to meet him before the baby is born, so that if problems arise I will already know who to go to for help. She tried to impress upon me the importance of being willing to take antidepressants if necessary, even if I'm nursing - I told her that, as a psychologist, I know enough about the potential developmental impact of having a depressed mother that I will be perfectly willing to take whatever medications are necessary.

Some of this seems like it might be more than is necessary, but I feel better knowing that all the bases will be covered.

I go back at 28 weeks - the beginning of my third trimester. (Isn't that a terrifying concept?) That's also about the time I get more labwork done, including a glucose tolerance test (for gestational diabetes) and a Rhogam shot (because the baby and I are probably Rh-incompatible). They're also going to test for thyroid problems because there's a family history and because it can cause complications - but she said that's just a precaution, because if I were *very* hypothyroid then I probably wouldn't have been able to get or stay pregnant.

I continue to be very, very impressed with my midwife practice. This visit was 45 minutes long, and I had all the time in the world to ask questions and get them answered. We've now met all three of the midwives, and although I still have a favorite, I will be perfectly happy to have any of them attend our birth.

And of course, I am also very impressed with the Li'l Critter and her stellar health and behavior. What a fine baby we're going to have!

Date: 2004-12-08 05:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ckd
I don't know how you feel about beef (or other meats; I like turkey) jerky, but that may be a quick high-protein snack to keep around.

I'm very happy to hear everything is going so well and that your midwife practice is so right for you.

Beef Jerky

Date: 2004-12-08 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tendyl.livejournal.com
Second the jerky as an option. If you don't want store bought, I can put you in touch with someone who buys his directly from a Meat Store in Indiana. And its darned good stuff!

Date: 2004-12-11 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clstal.livejournal.com
*COOL*

Also, making your own beef jerky if you're so inclined is very easy (assuming you have or can borrow a dehydrator).

Date: 2004-12-08 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hobbitbabe.livejournal.com
How cool that she would actually talk to you realistically about PPD, and not kind of blow it off as not to worry about ahead of time!

Date: 2004-12-08 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mactavish.livejournal.com
She sounds like a great doctor.

Date: 2004-12-08 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
I know!

She simultaneously made it sound like PPD was something completely normal to experience, and like it was something to be taken very seriously. And I liked that, when I told her I thought I was at higher risk, she said matter-of-factly, "You probably are." I'm used to being soothed or minimized in situations like that.

Date: 2004-12-09 09:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ailsaek.livejournal.com
I like that a lot too. That is a marvellous reaction in a health care provider. I'm glad you realize what a gem you have. :)

Would it be taking unfair advantage of your status as a professional to ask "What developmental impact of having a depressed mother?" I've been coming to realize more and more lately what a huge difference it makes in David and Kathy's development and functioning that I am feeling and functioning better, and it's nice to hear that the literatire supports the idea that me taking care of myself is important.

Date: 2004-12-10 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Would it be taking unfair advantage of your status as a professional to ask "What developmental impact of having a depressed mother?"

Here's (http://www.cps.ca/english/statements/PP/pp04-03.htm) an excellent general discussion. I like it because it goes well beyond infancy (most research on depressed mothers looks at post-partum depression, for obvious reasons) to consider depressed mothers of school-aged children and adolescents.

I am encouraged that you're viewing this through the lens of "taking care of myself is important," and not in a guilty way. Depression is not the depressed person's fault, and negative developmental effects on a depressed person's children aren't that person's fault either. It's also the case that children are surprisingly robust, and can't easily be "spoiled" by parental difficulties even if temporary negative effects do occur.

Date: 2004-12-10 07:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ailsaek.livejournal.com
Thanks immensely! I am going to print that out so I can take the appropriate amount of time to read the whole thing. And actually, stuff like that helps in ammo against guilt, like "See, taking care of myself makes everyone's life better!"

Date: 2004-12-08 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kightp.livejournal.com
I'd dispute "there's only so much cheese you can eat," but I'm something of a cheese freak. (-:

Seriously, though, if you have access to any sort of gourmet cheese vendor, this could be a great opportunity to try little bits and pieces of exotic new cheeses!

I've developed wonky blood sugar without even being pregnant, and I find that small quantities of the following nibbles (in addition to cheese) keep things pretty well in check.

* Nuts. It doesn't take many. Unsalted almonds are especially good for you - lots of calcium.
* Nut butter (peanut, cashew, almond) or tahini on whole-meal crackers.
* Hummous, preferably home-made, with crunchy raw vegetable dippers
* Sunflower seeds.
* Edamame.
* Beef jerky.
* Smoked salmon (the nice, hard-smoked PNW sort)
* Other smoked fish. An outfit in Tillamook makes a smoked tuna jerky that's to die for.
* Leftover ham or roast beef (cook it yourself and slice/package/refrigerate promptly so you don't have to worry about the listeria issue).

I'm so glad things are going well for you and your Critter!

Date: 2004-12-08 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com
Second the cheese opinion.

K. [but of course you should eat things you like to eat. Should you want advice on cheeses you can have it, natch]

Date: 2004-12-08 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Seriously, though, if you have access to any sort of gourmet cheese vendor, this could be a great opportunity to try little bits and pieces of exotic new cheeses!

Sadly, blue cheeses, soft cheeses like Brie, and raw-milk cheeses are also off the menu. That rules out a lot of tasty options.

Smoked fish is a good idea. I'll have to see what they have at Whole Foods. I'm not eating tuna (except for, possibly, canned light tuna - ick) because of mercury, but smoked trout is a good possibility.

We looked at some hummus at the store, and were surprised to see that the protein content listed on the nutrition label is very, very low. You found that it worked okay to control your blood sugar, though?

Date: 2004-12-08 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kightp.livejournal.com
In moderation, yes. I've found it's not so much high protein that I need as low-sugar. So fruit's not so good, Snickers bars are right out - but that still leaves the other things I mentioned, and they all seem to work equally well as long as I vary them and get *some* protein.

Unlike you, of course, IANA doctor. (-:

Date: 2004-12-08 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kightp.livejournal.com
P.S. I make my own hummous, with lots of tahini and garlic. (-:

Date: 2004-12-09 07:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] writingortyping.livejournal.com
Smoked tuna jerkey? YUM! Where can one obtain such a thing????

Date: 2004-12-09 08:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kightp.livejournal.com
At the Pacific Oyster Co. retail outlet along US 101 in Garibaldi, Oregon. Alas, I'm pretty sure they don't ship. )-:

Date: 2004-12-09 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
You wouldn't, say, want to bring some to alt.polycon, would you? For delivery to one of your greatest admirers?

*eyelash batting*

I mean, I'd have to save it until after delivery, but...

Date: 2004-12-09 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kightp.livejournal.com
Dear Rivka, if (a) I can get over there in January before I head to Baltimore and (b) they tell me it'll keep that long (not all cured fish does), I would be more than happy to do so.

You can still bat your cute li'l eyelashes at me, though. (-:

Date: 2004-12-08 06:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kate_nepveu
What a fabulous midwife. I wish all medical personnel were that good.

Excellent news for all of you!
From: [identity profile] kcobweb.livejournal.com
As you probably saw in my post today, I had my 28 week checkup today, and had the glucose test and the shot of Rhogam. (Okay, we really do have too much in common. My blood pressure is low too, as is my weight gain. No thyroid testing for me though.)

I had been warned that the glucose stuff was disgusting and horrible - but I didn't think it was so bad. Tasted just like orange pop to me - not even too extra-sweet. When I commented on that, the medical assistant said it used to be a lot worse, and more the consistency of maple syrup. I do drink pop somewhat regularly, so that probably helped my tolerance level. Once or twice in the hour I was waiting to go downstairs for the blood draw, I felt like my heart was racing slightly, but nothing serious, and not for more than a minute or two.

And the Rhogam - well, it's just a standard shot, really. They do it in your "hip" (i.e. pick a butt cheek). That spot is not even sore now, 10 hours later.

Date: 2004-12-08 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kazoogrrl.livejournal.com
Re: parenting and PPD, read
http://www.dooce.com/index.html

An excellent blog - she has been struggling with PPD since her daughter was born 10 months ago, and has kept a thorough and painfully honest journal throughout. She also writes lots of fun, interesting, and thoughtful things as well.

Squick warning!

Date: 2004-12-09 05:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com
I lost weight myself during pregnancy, and without morning sickness, just because I was eating more healthily.

When I was trying to do the increase protein snack thing, I went through a phase of making a ton of cauliflower cheese on a Sunday and freezing it in individual portions to eat for supper with ham. Also, you can put cheese into pretty much any soup. (Well, not miso soup...)

On formula overnight -- it's also endlessly possible to express for overnight. If you express some at the end of each feed, probably by bedtime you'll have enough for the deep-night feed. OTOH, this means messing about with sterilizers and pumps all the time, which some people think ends up being more trouble than waking up and feeding.

Now the squicky bit -- some people say that eating your placenta can help for PPD. I didn't do this and I don't know anyone who did, but I've read about it and some people swear by it. Though I have to say anyone who is up for that might not be the type to get depressed anyway. But other mammals certainly do it.

Re: Squick warning!

Date: 2004-12-09 06:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tammylc.livejournal.com
Second the placenta thing - I have also heard that. And from women who had PPD with their first pregnancies and did it purposely the next time around with good results. I can send you links if you want them.

Re: Squick warning!

Date: 2004-12-09 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Now the squicky bit -- some people say that eating your placenta can help for PPD.

Honestly? I wouldn't care if some people said that eating your placenta would help you walk on water. I just can't imagine doing it.

Re: Squick warning!

Date: 2004-12-09 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kightp.livejournal.com
Well, if you change your mind, here are some recipes (http://www.mothers35plus.co.uk/plac_rec.htm).

I had to google quite a bit to find recipes without photos. I hope you appreciate the effort. 'Cause the photos? Ewwwww ...

Re: Squick warning!

Date: 2004-12-10 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sashajwolf.livejournal.com
I second the advice to express for overnight feeds, if you can, rather than use formula - it is less likely to give the baby wind and/or lead to a reduction in your milk supply.

Date: 2004-12-09 06:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jmhm.livejournal.com
Nuts. Lots of good stuff you should be getting, no cholesterol.

Date: 2004-12-09 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jmhm.livejournal.com
or, you know, you could buy your own nuts, toasted soybeans, dried cranberries and such and make low-salt custom gorp, which did wonders for me.

Date: 2004-12-09 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wiredferret.livejournal.com
Huh. I so do not want to eat anything that looks like my placenta did, but I do fall on the Western-medicine end of the spectrum.

That being said, I started struggling with depression toward the end of my pregnancy. Most of it was situational, and I knew it, but it was still no fun to live with. Since I had PPD after Baz, and found that a low dose of Zoloft helped me get back to being me, my midwife and I agreed to start me on Zoloft during the pregnancy. That way, I didn't have to wait for the efficacy period to pass, because I was covered before I gave birth. I figure I'll stay on for about three months, and then see how I'm doing.

Date: 2004-12-09 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girlhappy.livejournal.com
Hooray for thoughtful midwives who spend time with you. At one point when I was about 6 months pregnant, I started just *thinking* about the series finale of M*A*S*H, and I began to cry. I mentioned this to my midwife, who didn't laugh it off at all - she likened it to thinking about our ending our relationship just as a couple and moving into parenthood, and that those transitions are always tough. (I pointed out, too, that that episode has some difficult maternal stuff to work out, which was probably also a subconscious worry.) At any rate, it sounds like you are getting similarly good care.

As for the nighttime formula feedings your midwife suggests: I was fully committed to breastfeeding when I was pregnant. Then my daughter was born with severe meconium aspiration syndrome and was hospitalized for a month. Then *I* was re-hospitalized for complications from my emergency section (ugh.) All of this TMI is by way of saying I didn't end up nursing, and it was a hard thing to get over at first, but should you decide to formula feed at night or at any other time, it will be okay for you and the baby. Whatever works and keeps you BOTH healthy is the right path for you, and no one gets to judge that. I learned that the hard way!

Date: 2004-12-09 10:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] carbonel
I second the jerky thing. I recommend looking for real jerky, not the chopped-and-formed stuff. Also smoked fish, if you can take the sodium hit.

I wonder when they started giving Rhogam prenatally. When I was in nursing school (late 1970s), it was strictly a postpartum thing, best I recall.

Date: 2004-12-09 11:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
I wonder when they started giving Rhogam prenatally. When I was in nursing school (late 1970s), it was strictly a postpartum thing, best I recall.

It still is, in Europe. There's apparently a 1-2% chance of blood mixing prior to delivery, which is why they now give a prenatal Rhogam shot at 28 weeks. Some women refuse it because (a) they worry about the baby getting exposed to Rhogam, if blood mixing does occur, and (b) they want to wait for the baby's blood to be tested, so that they're not receiving an unnecessary intervention.

I thought about it, and then decided that the risks weren't high enough to make it an issue. I'm refusing some standard interventions (AFP testing, continuous fetal monitoring in labor, antibiotic eyedrops at birth), but I want to pick my battles.

Date: 2004-12-09 02:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ailbhe
Is Rhogam like the jab they called "Rhesus Anti-D" here? I got that; I changed GPs because my elderly one swore it was only necessary in second pregnancies. Silly sod. All I know is that it is because I'm Rh-.

My midwife also took my history of depression seriously but I still haven't had PND in spite of everything. I am very pleased that everyone was on the look-out for it though as it meant that when my current symptoms showed up I paid close enough attention to them to know it wasn't PND.

Linnea has number eight tooth coming in now. Rah!

Date: 2004-12-09 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Is Rhogam like the jab they called "Rhesus Anti-D" here?

Yes, it's the exact same thing you call "Rhesus Anti-D." I like that you call it a "jab." It's somehow so much more vivid than "shot."

I changed GPs because my elderly one swore it was only necessary in second pregnancies. Silly sod. All I know is that it is because I'm Rh-.

But- but- argh. Silly sod, indeed. It's true that Rh incompatibility usually doesn't affect the first baby, but that's because you may develop antibodies to Rh factor when the first baby is born! The Rhogam shot is a preventive measure to protect your second baby. Damn it.

I'm glad you changed GPs.

Linnea has number eight tooth coming in now. Rah!

Linnea is a marvel! Someday I hope to meet her.

Jabs and shots

Date: 2004-12-10 03:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ailbhe
Injections are almost always called jabs here; Linnea got her 8-week jabs, her 12-week booster jabs, I got my anti-d jabs (2, one at 27 and one at 32 weeks, I think, but I could be wrong. Twenty-something and thirty-something, anyway). Jab jab jab.

The nurses wielding tape and cotton wool in pathology are called vampires.

Date: 2004-12-09 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] micheinnz.livejournal.com
Huh. Interesting. I'm Rh- and DH is Rh+. I was told Weegirl would be tested at birth and I'd only get Anti-D if she was Rh+ too. She was, and isn't, and I didn't get jabbed.

The different approaches taken in different countries are fascinating!

(Sorry for hijacking your journal, Rivka -- I'm very glad everything's going well and you have such cool midwives!)

Date: 2004-12-10 02:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ailbhe
The UK started doing jabs for first pregnancies a while after Ireland did - but there are still areas where health authorities can't afford to spend the money before it's proved necessary. Doing it for a first pregnancy is very recent as a global recommendation, since it doesn't make any difference to that specific baby - it wouldn't surprise me to find that NZ does it in first pregnancies now.

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