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We spent the Christmas holidays in Memphis this year, with [livejournal.com profile] curiousangel's father. We were down there for a week, which is a long time to be in Memphis. But we stayed that long for good reasons.

Michael's father has non-small cell lung cancer.

He was diagnosed in September. Stage III-B, as far as we can figure: when they found the cancer, it had spread as far as a lymph node in his neck, but hadn't metastasized to other organs or to the bone. It's inoperable. He spent the fall going through a grueling and painful course of chemotherapy, which was abruptly stopped in the beginning of December when it became clear that the tumor sites weren't shrinking. Now he's started a six-week course of radiation therapy.

Lung cancer is never a good diagnosis. Stage III-B is never a good stage. Not responding to chemo is never a good sign. At best, the 5-year survival rate for Stage III lung cancer is less than 10%. Median survival time, depending on treatment, is about 8-18 months.

At this point, we're fairly confident that he will live to see his first grandchild, but we're not really making any plans beyond that.

Spending Christmas together was nice. He's recovered from the horrible effects of chemo, but the radiation side effects haven't kicked in yet. So he's got some of his energy back. He was able to enjoy our visit - he cooked steaks for us on the grill when the weather warmed up, showed a lot of interest in the baby, advised us about life insurance, told stories about Michael's infancy. At the same time, he's obviously, and understandably, terrified. And the chemo left deep emotional scars: he kept almost compulsively telling us how bad it had been, the same stories over and over.

He talked more than usual about Michael's mother, who died of cancer in 1998.

It's frustrating, being this far away. It's even more frustrating to know that there's going to be, probably, a three-month period between when the midwife says I have to stop flying and when the baby and I are well enough to make the long trip to Memphis. I want to help. I want to be able to rush there on a moment's notice if he needs us, if Michael needs to see him, if something changes, and instead I'm pinned here by my belly.

But however hard it is for me, of course it's a thousand times harder for Michael. I'm doing what I can to support him, but honestly, there's not much that can be done. It's just going to be hard and awful.

I haven't posted about this before because I kept thinking that it was Michael's news. But he hasn't been inclined to post about it, and it's also my news. We're going to need the support of our friends.
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Date: 2005-01-03 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalmn.livejournal.com
oh, you guys, i'm so sorry.

*hugs*

Date: 2005-01-03 08:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] therealjae.livejournal.com
I'm very glad you're finally talking about this. And I think you know I'll be there in any way I can. *hug*

-J

Date: 2005-01-03 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fairoriana.livejournal.com
I'm sorry -- that's incredibly difficult. You are both in our hearts.

Date: 2005-01-03 08:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eeyorerin
I am very sorry that this is happening to you and yours, and if there is anything that I can do to be helpful, please ask.

You have my support. (I feel like that guy on the Bartles and James commercials.)

Date: 2005-01-03 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
I don't know what I can do from here. Anytime you want to talk....

It sucks that he's in Memphis, because that makes it pretty much impossible to grab a train (my father lives in Oak Ridge, looking at trains we discovered he lives in a black hole, so far as Amtrak is concerned).

I'm sorry. We all know it's coming, but the timing sucks.

My mother's dad died of lng cancer, when I was about 3. I don't remember him, not to speak of. But that (in the realm of cold comfort) probably won't bother the L'il Critter too much, because she won't miss what she never knew.

So I hope he makes it for a good couple of years so you can rememeber how he got to enjoy her company.

I'm sorry.

TK

Date: 2005-01-03 08:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ckd
I hear you. I know how hard it can be to want to help, to want to even just be there, and not be able to.

You, and Michael, and Michael's father, are in my thoughts. Even if all I can do is listen sympathetically, I'll do that to the best of my ability.

*hugs* all around.

Date: 2005-01-03 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsjafo.livejournal.com
Prayers and good thoughts on the way.

Date: 2005-01-03 08:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ailbhe
I am very sorry to hear this. For what it's worth, I could fly comfortably after birth before I could take a long car journey. I could have flown before the lochia stopped. So you might not be stuck there after the birth. I wouldn't bet on it either way, of course.

I am so sorry.

Date: 2005-01-03 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wandra.livejournal.com
So sorry to hear this. You are all in my thoughts.

Date: 2005-01-03 09:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] geekchick
Both my parents had cancer, and it's a terrible thing to deal with. If there's anything I can do for either of you, please let me know.

Date: 2005-01-03 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hobbitbabe.livejournal.com
I'm so sorry. That's really hard for everybody.

Date: 2005-01-03 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinker.livejournal.com
Wishing you all the support you wish from those you wish it from.

Date: 2005-01-03 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janetmiles.livejournal.com
Oh, damn. I'm so sorry.

You will definitely be in my thoughts, as will Michael's father. If there is anything more pragmatic I can do to help, please let me know.

Date: 2005-01-03 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] micheinnz.livejournal.com
Michael's father (and, of course, Michael and yourself and the Critter) are in my thoughts.

Date: 2005-01-03 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saoba.livejournal.com
I'd talk to my medical team about how soon after the baby arrives you can reasonably expect to be able to fly. I'll note that most little babies actually fly pretty well, in my experience. I found the major thing I had to do to recover from childbirth was get enough support to allow me to get real and useful amounts of sleep, though every woman is different.

I am so sorry to hear about your father in law and send my most heartfelt Good Thoughts to you all. Tell Michael we are thinking of him. If there is anything I can do for either of you please don't hesitate to let me know.

Date: 2005-01-03 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
I'd talk to my medical team about how soon after the baby arrives you can reasonably expect to be able to fly. I'll note that most little babies actually fly pretty well, in my experience.

I was thinking that probably six weeks would be about right - after the 6-week postpartum checkup - although of course if it looks like we're running out of time we can agitate for earlier clearance. Right now there's no reason to suspect that things will go south that fast, I'm just fretting about possibilities.

My midwife has grounded me from 34 weeks on, and even that might be cutting it close given my family history of early delivery. (My sister's first baby was born at 35 weeks, my mother's first baby at 34.)

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Date: 2005-01-03 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnaleigh.livejournal.com
I'm really glad you guys got to have such a good visit.

I know this is hard for both of you and if there's anything I can do, from listening to helping you out if Michael has to leave town, let me know.

Date: 2005-01-04 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
if there's anything I can do, from listening to helping you out if Michael has to leave town, let me know.

Christie, thank you. As far as we know, it's not a likely possibility at all - but it absolutely, definitely helps to have some possibilities in place in case the worst happens.

Date: 2005-01-03 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mittelbar.livejournal.com
Argh.

This is very hard. I'm so sorry. That's an awful lot to be dealing with.

I'll be thinking about you.

Date: 2005-01-03 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] txanne.livejournal.com
Virtual hugs and real prayers for all four of you.

Date: 2005-01-03 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baldanders.livejournal.com
That is so terribly hard for everybody. I hope that everything goes as well as it can for all of you, and that each of you is granted the strength to deal with the worst of it.

Date: 2005-01-03 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patgreene.livejournal.com
*hugs* I'm so sorry. If [livejournal.com profile] brian1789 or I can help in any way at all, please do not hesitate to call us.

For what it's worth, I flew with my firstborn one month after he was born.

Date: 2005-01-04 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zencuppa.livejournal.com
"It's even more frustrating to know that there's going to be, probably, a three-month period between when the midwife says I have to stop flying and when the baby and I are well enough to make the long trip to Memphis"

Anyway you could plan it so he could come to you, instead of you going there?

Just an idea, since most of our relatives came to see *us* when I delivered Nick and then Matt. It's much easier for one adult to travel, then for two adults to travel with a baby (and all the gear).

Date: 2005-01-04 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Anyway you could plan it so he could come to you, instead of you going there?

You know, that's actually the way that he's planning it. But he hasn't had the full effects of his radiation therapy kick in yet. The baby probably won't be born until a month or so after he stops radiation, but even so... we just don't want to count on him being well enough to fly up here.

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Date: 2005-01-04 01:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] firecat
I'm sorry for the difficult times, and I'm sending you and your family supportive thoughts.

It's really hard to come up against the sheer physical impossibility of protecting everyone we love.

Date: 2005-01-04 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
It's really hard to come up against the sheer physical impossibility of protecting everyone we love.

Stef, you've really put your finger on the thing that troubles me most about the timing of all of this. I know I can't stop Papa from dying, if it's his time, but I do have a strong visceral drive to do everything I can to help - and a much stronger one to do everything I possibly can to take care of Michael and protect him.

But I've got to face the fact that I also have an overwhelming biological commitment to this baby, so strong - for the next several months, at least - that it trumps any other responsibility in my life. It has to.

The idea that those responsibilities might come into conflict, that Michael might need me and I might not be able to care for him because I'll be nine months pregnant or in labor or recovering from birth and nursing a newborn every two hours... that rips my guts out. It terrifies me. It's an unlikely possibility, but it's so frightening that I can't let it go.

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Date: 2005-01-04 01:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roadnotes.livejournal.com
ah, fuck.

My dad died of colon/abdominal cancer eight years ago. This is a fucking club I don't want anyone else to join. I'm sorry.

Date: 2005-01-04 01:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tikva.livejournal.com
You and your family are in my thoughts. As you may know, my father is also terminally ill, and figuring out time, treatment, and all those incredibly wiggly things is a huge task in and of itself. I am glad that you're getting good time with Michael's father now, and that he'll probably be able to spend time with his grandchild. *offers hugs*

Date: 2005-01-04 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anotheranon.livejournal.com
I'm very sorry to hear that :( My grandfather died of lung cancer, so I have some idea of how bad it could be :(

I'll be thinking of y'all.
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