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Alex has thrush, which is a minor and relatively common-in-babies yeast infection in the mouth. She's had it a lot. So we've got the drill down. When we're treating for yeast, we sterilize her bottle nipples after each use, and her pacifier every time we treat her mouth.

This morning I washed up bottles while boiling water fot my tea. I put the nipples and her most recent pacifier in a little pan of water and set them over a flame to boil. I poured my tea and fixed a bowl of cereal. I ate my breakfast while Alex played on the floor. We played some together. I went upstairs and put some files I needed for work on a thumb drive, and set up the work laptop on the couch. I fixed Alex a bottle. Here's what I did not do: maintain any recollection of the pot boiling on the stove.

Suddenly I heard a couple of pops and smelled something sort of electrical. I looked anxiously at the laptop, but it seemed fine. The smell continued.

"Oh my God!" I set Alex down on the floor and ran into the kitchen. Sure enough, the pan had boiled dry and her pacifier had begun to melt. The nipples had taken on a weird cloudy cast. I turned off the stove and ran cold water into the pan.

Accidents happen, right? Except that this is, conservatively, the third time Michael or I have ruined nipples and pacifiers while trying to sterilize them. I always laughed at the people who paid money for a separate sterilizer - why didn't they just use boiling water? - but now I'm beginning to get the idea.

Date: 2005-09-21 01:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ewein2412
I once managed to VAPORIZE a plastic cup, lid and spoon. Literally. When the clouds cleared and the pot was cool enough to touch, I took the lid off and there was NOTHING IN IT.

Are you Steve Wald's sister or am I making that up? Hi, it's Elizabeth Wein here!

Date: 2005-09-21 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Ha! Yes, I'm Steve's sister, but, um, I don't think anyone in my family knows I have an LJ. If you know what I mean.

I'm not placing your name, I'm afraid, although it does sound familiar. Where/when have we met?

Date: 2005-09-21 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Oh! You're related to Rachel, and we met at their wedding. I'm sorry! I can be a trifle flaky sometimes.

Date: 2005-09-21 02:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ewein2412
like I said, Rachel's cousin. You beat me to it! Anyway, you have a tiny tiny child vaporizing your brain cells at the moment, so flakiness can be forgiven.

Date: 2005-09-21 02:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ewein2412
Yes, I'm Steve's sister, but, um, I don't think anyone in my family knows I have an LJ. If you know what I mean.

I getcha. But Steve knows, cause he spilled the beans to me and gave me your username. I'm Rachel's cousin Elizabeth, from Scotland--we met at their wedding. I write YA fiction. (I think you might have read my first book, The Winter Prince. you can go ahead and delete all this if you want to preserve your anonymity!)

Date: 2005-09-21 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] casperflea.livejournal.com
Hee! Next time, set a timer? My microwave timer can be set to go for a good long time and it is loud enough when it goes off that I hear it elswehere in the house. This is how I keep from watering the garden for 72 consecutive hours (when I remember to water the garden at all, that is.) Of course, then there's the moment when the timer goes off and you can't remember what you set it for, and you're hunting about the kitchen for something left on, but that's another story!

Date: 2005-09-21 04:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] abbylee
I'm just seconding the timer recommendation. Cheap and multi-useful.

Steriliser

Date: 2005-09-21 01:23 pm (UTC)
ailbhe: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ailbhe
We used boiling water for a bit until we realised I couldn't not boil it dry, and then got a microwave steriliser, because they are smaller than the countertop ones and anyway can live in the microwave. When we stopped sterilising the bottle bodies, we moved on to Steriboxes, which are small microwave boxes that will take two soothers and a teat tongs at a time. Very useful animals.

What I would be very wary of is a cold water steriliser, because the whole bleach thing bothers me greatly.

I never realised bottle-fed babies got thrush. It seems obvious, now I think of it, but for some reason my head puts it in with mastitis as a breastfeeding illness.

Re: Steriliser

Date: 2005-09-21 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erbie.livejournal.com
Mastitis and thrush can also be gotten by non-breastfeeding women, women who breastfed years ago, women who never breastfed, etc. Even men can get it. It's rare, but it happens.

Medela micro-steam bags...

Date: 2005-09-21 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
... are a life-saver. They seem expensive at first, but you can use them for far more times than the 20 they specify. And you can put bottles, nipples, pacifiers, etc., in them - not just pump parts.

Re: Medela micro-steam bags...

Date: 2005-09-21 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ratphooey.livejournal.com
Seconded.

You can also just use a plain old freezer bag, just don't seal it all the way. Ditto for a plastic Tupperware-type container, though in that case, if it gets too hot inside, the top will just blow off on its own.

Re: Medela micro-steam bags...

Date: 2005-09-22 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heidi8.livejournal.com
Thirded. And when you can't use them for steaming anymore, you can use them for storage.

Date: 2005-09-21 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com
I used to have the same problem with boiling water for tea. Eventually I started setting a timer whenever I put water on, then carrying the timer wherever I was going. It helped.

Date: 2005-09-21 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] casperflea.livejournal.com
This is why proper teakettles whistle! Loudly.

Date: 2005-09-23 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] micheinnz.livejournal.com
Or switch themselves off when they've boiled.

Date: 2005-09-21 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wandra.livejournal.com
Oops. Yes - accidents do happen. The time my parents managed to explode one of my little brother's feeding bottles - all over the kitchen walls and ceiling - went down in family history.

Forgetting pans-on-stove is unfortunately one of my bad habits.

Date: 2005-09-21 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patgreene.livejournal.com
Ah, yes. The smell of burning rubbber in ther morning. Microwave sterilizers are a good idea.

Date: 2005-09-21 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lysana.livejournal.com
At risk of causing offense, and please forgive me for letting concern lead me down that path if it does, but if Alex keeps getting thrush, perhaps you should consider what in her diet may be doing that? Thrush is a yeast infection, if I remember correctly. Her intestinal flora may be out of whack.

Date: 2005-09-21 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Heh. Here's her entire diet:

- Enfamil formula with lipil.
- Organic brown rice cereal.

It's not a very complicated regimen. ;-)

Nothing I've read about thrush in babies suggests that it's diet-related, but thanks for your suggestion. I'm going to ask her doctor if she can takr acidophilus.

Date: 2005-09-21 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thette.livejournal.com
I would have agreed, but I went and searched. Some articles do suggest a diet high on carbohydrates as a risk factor.

Date: 2005-09-21 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
For most of her episodes of thrush - all but the current one - she's had a diet precisely as high in carbohydrates as every other formula-fed baby in America, though. I really doubt that's it.

Date: 2005-09-21 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thette.livejournal.com
I didn't mean to imply that was the case with her. Sorry.

Date: 2005-09-21 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fourgates.livejournal.com
FYI, this (http://www.mendosa.com/gi.htm) claims brown rice has a glycemic index of 79. *shrug*

Date: 2005-09-21 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erbie.livejournal.com
If your dr okays it, there's acidophilus for babys at Whole Foods and similar stores. Baby-dophilus is one brand.

There's also Gentian Violet, which REALLY kicks thrush's ass. I had systemic thrush for about a year, did Diflucan, etc. What finally worked was GV. Screaming pain to cleared up in three days, and didn't come back for months. I finally went on a low carb diet and that got rid of it for good. Not practical for an infant, but the GV works like a charm. There are possible issues with side effects though, so investigate, obviously. I'm not a medical professional. And the GV stains everything it comes in contact with a lovely deep purple.

Date: 2005-09-21 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
I second all those who commend a timer.

I also recommend the use of 1: a cake-rack in the bottom of the pan, 2: placing that cake rack high in a large pot and 3: the investment of a Sil-pat to place on the cake rack. That ought to provide enough insulation to save them, even if you forget.

Given my kitchen, I'd use the pasta boiler, in lieu of a double-boiler, but I have one, and not everyone does, nor has the space to put one.

TK

Date: 2005-09-21 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fourgates.livejournal.com
*fights off mental image of Rivka sterilizing a nipple using a spoon and a cigarette lighter*

Date: 2005-09-21 07:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] firecat
Ah yes, this is why I got a dedicated hard boiled egg cooker. (The last time I decided to boil eggs in a saucepan, I got a sudden wild hair to go upstairs to my craft room, where I couldn't hear the timer.)

Date: 2005-09-21 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edschweppe.livejournal.com
Now, I'm a single guy who doesn't have a clue about this, so take anything I say with the proverbial large grain of sodium chloride.

That disclaimer being disclaimed, my first reaction was "timer!".

My second reaction was "could you use a double boiler for this?" Being the aforementioned clueless single guy, I don't know if the top of a double boiler would get hot enough.

My third reaction is to suggest that if you tend to boil little pans of water dry, use big pans of water. With lots of water. And maybe an extra timer...

Date: 2005-09-22 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
The point of the double-boiler is that, because the heat is transferred by way of steam, the temperature never gets above about 200F.

For practical purposes, that's probably enough, but it takes a long time to tranfer that much energy to the amount of water needed to make the nipples sterile. She'd probably have to refill the bottom at least twice, and the time spent reheating the lower water would lead to a slower response time, esp. if she forgot, and it boiled dry.

TK

Date: 2005-09-22 04:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] boxofdelights
See, there's another good reason to have a dog. Somnus interruptus is hard on the cognitive functioning, you know? Of course you know. More than once, when Phoebe was a baby, Panda alerted me that something smelled scary in the kitchen (long before I or the fire alarm would have noticed that something smelled scary).

Date: 2005-09-22 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Rivka,
If you have a microwave oven, get a microwave steriliser. I had four kids before i got one, boiled a million bottles, teats and dummies (pacifiers) into mush, and then with the fifth, never boiled another one.

I can't recommend them highly enough.

Of course, if you don't have a microwave, you need a timer that really screams.

Give my best regards to Jae. I'm glad Alex is thriving so well.

Emma

Date: 2005-09-22 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heidi8.livejournal.com
Medela has these new bags which will sterilize bottles etc in a microwave. I swear by them - they are AMAZING and each bag has 20 uses!

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