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Home sick (my doctor thinks it's a sinus infection; I just think I want to rip my throat out and then go to sleep for a week), and reading Ayelet Waldman's Nursery Crimes. I'd read another one of her "Mommy-Track Mysteries" and thought it was fun, light entertainment, so the last time I was at the library I picked up this one, the first in the series.

I did not expect alt.poly to be completely slandered on pages 124-128.

The protagonist discovers that her murder victim's husband is having an affair. She finds out the name of the girlfriend and, as part of a general online search strategy, runs it through Dejanews. Girlfriend turns out to be a big newsgroup junkie, and among alt.postmodern and some other random choices, is a major poster on alt.polyamory.

She's one of those - "our intertwined souls," "tantric love dance," and cheating. She and the victim's husband have supposedly carried out their entire courtship on alt.poly, which Waldman seems to think would be a good venue for "raunchy Internet sex." But here's the worst:
"Within a couple of months, the newsgroup freaks started hounding them. Remember, the whole point of this movement or whatever it is is that they're supposed to be polyamorous, not just adulterous. Tigress and Coyote - yes, that is indeed his nom de guerre - finally succumbed to the pressure and decided to include Abigail in their little love nest or cesspool, whatever you want to call it. And, get this, they decided, with the help of their comrades in arms - and legs, for that matter - that the best way to get Abigail to go along with this multiple-partner thing is to have her walk into her bedroom one fine day and find ol' Tigress and Coyote waiting there, buck naked." [...]

"Surprise, surprise, Abigail was less than thrilled with the little Wild Kingdom tableau awaiting her. In fact, she freaked out - which, by the way, totally confused everyone in the newsgroup, all of whom apparently were under the impression that she would rip off her clothes and jump in the sack with the fabulous twosome."
Slandered, I tell you. Can a newsgroup sue for libel?

Date: 2006-01-26 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nex0s.livejournal.com
i know! especially because on alt.poly it's all like:

YO! you cheatin' - naw dog... .that ain't right. y'all bettah stop hittin' that shit yo, and get straight wit you mate, you know what i'm sayin'?

except, not like, in ebonics :)

n.

Date: 2006-01-26 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] datagoddess.livejournal.com
OhEmGee!!

Obviously not a well-researched bit of writing. Of course, at the moment we have a pontificating color, so it's not what it usually is, but still!

Date: 2006-01-26 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lietya.livejournal.com
Oh, man. I can JUST imagine the responses if someone actually posted that plan....

slander, indeed. alt.poly is about the antithesis of this nonsense - clearly she's never been there, and has it mixed up with one of those all-sex-all-the-time newsgroups. (Why, oh why, do people always seem to leap to the conclusion that polyamory - like all "deviant lifestyles," including being gay - is All About The Sex?)

Date: 2006-01-26 07:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] vito-excalibur.livejournal.com
Wish fulfillment.

Date: 2006-01-26 07:08 pm (UTC)
eeyorerin: (surprised penguin)
From: [personal profile] eeyorerin
I am trying to picture the regular cadre of alt.poly posters with whom I am most familiar giving that advice, and my head is exploding. It's like Bizzarro Alt.Poly! Mirror Universe Alt.Poly!

Does the denoument take place during a fucking swingers convention in a hotel? :)

Date: 2006-01-26 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
Sympathies on the sickness. If it's the same thing I've got (primary symptom is sore throat), then most of it's fading out after a little more than a week. It's amazing how dependent my quality of life is on being able to swallow comfortably. How fucked up does a throat have to be for saliva to *hurt*?

I hope the adrenalin from the disgraceful mystery novel helps, or at least is an effective distraction.

You may well have the same thing I do--I was in good enough shape to read popular fiction (in my case, F. Paul Wilson's _Midnight Mass_) and cranky enough to get pissed off at it (mostly Jewish stuff, though there were some class issues, too).

Date: 2006-01-26 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Primary symptoms, sore throat and ears that feel like I'm ten feet underwater. I'm on my way to the drugstore to pick up some Zithromax, which will hopefully take care of it quickly.

Date: 2006-01-26 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
Possibly something different then. My ears would hurt a little now and then, but no underwater feeling.

Date: 2006-01-26 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnpalmer.livejournal.com
One thing: if your ears feel underwater, you might be getting them clogged up with earwax, which can keep them from draining, and keep the symptoms of congestion and icky-feeling ears lasting. IIRC, it happened to me right after a sinus infection, as well. I now keep the eardrops handy.

(Further helpful advice: if you feel the eardrops trying to eat your brain, it probably means that 1) there's no blockage, and 2) your ears are mildly infected/irritated. It could also mean that the eardrops, recognizing that you're feeling under the weather, have decided to eat your brain, hoping to win favors from their evil masters.)

Date: 2006-01-27 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
My doctor looked in my ears and pronounced them full of fluid. I assume that she would've mentioned earwax if it were there. Since she didn't, I'm hoping that the antibiotics will be sufficient to clear it up.

Date: 2006-01-27 02:04 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Okay, glad to hear that's covered :-). And yeah, antibiotics should be more than enough. The only time I'd worry (in your situation) would be if your ears stayed congested-feeling when the rest of your body was symptom free.

Still, I've had three or four go-rounds with having mine irrigated (and they sometimes remembered to have the water tepid before starting!), and *ick*... if I can prevent a friend from going through it, it can't help but be a Good Thing.

Date: 2006-01-26 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalmn.livejournal.com
yeah, i read that one and was thinking the same thing eeyorerin was.

i am currently reading a mystery set in laramie which has a womens studies prof as the protagonist and has not yet mentioned matthew shepard. i am probably going to finish the book, but this may be one time i take the book back and say "hello. this is a bad book. i would like to return it, please."

Date: 2006-01-26 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
I'm having trouble finding a way into mommy lit, although I keep dutifully trying on the basis of, you know, being their demographic and all. The last novel (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312311729/qid=1138310214/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-7177220-8670566?s=books&v=glance&n=283155) hit the wall at about the time that it introduced the Least Convincing Lesbian Affair Ever. Because everyone knows that a breastfeeding, co-sleeping mother of a young infant and a toddler is constantly horny.

Date: 2006-01-26 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalmn.livejournal.com
that link doesn't work; title and author please oh please?

Date: 2006-01-26 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Sorry, the link works for me. It's The Playgroup, by Nelsie Spencer. I am relieved that I only picked it up for 25 cents at the library book sale.

But

Date: 2006-01-27 02:21 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Is this a joke for you, that you read these books? You are so smart; they are *so* obviously bad...the writing is hideous...sometimes I read bad books for fun, is this the deal?

Re: But

Date: 2006-01-27 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Well, that one was certainly awful. I didn't finish it. But I do have an urge to read novels about the experience and complexities of motherhood, and a reading list didn't immediately present itself when my pregnancy test came back positive. Anything you'd recommend?

I did re-read Marilyn French's 70's classic The Women's Room (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345353617/qid=1138330948/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-7177220-8670566?n=507846&s=books&v=glance) since having Alex. Obviously there's a huge distance between me and her trapped early-60's suburban housewives, but some things still resonated - like the need for other young-mother friends, because they're the only other people in the world who actually care about the minute details of your day.

Re: But

Date: 2006-01-27 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The Women's Room was excellent, and so painfully sad in parts. An easy read would be Nanny Diaries. It's amazing to read how some of "those" kinds of mothers make parenting choices.

Date: 2006-01-26 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wcg.livejournal.com
I doubt a newsgroup can sue for libel, but on the other hand I feel sure the regulars of a newsgroup can write. To her. About her. Satirical poetry. Filk. Etc...

Or maybe we could just send her a bonobo.

Date: 2006-01-26 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] datagoddess.livejournal.com
Or maybe we could just send her a bonobo.

It could fling poo at her!

Date: 2006-01-26 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] going-not-gone.livejournal.com
I don't know a lot about poly, but I have to say, the more I read of Ayelet Waldman, the less I like her. Her stuff on Salon and the excerpts from her latest novel just make me think "writing is not an adequate substitute for therapy, honey!" Given that her latest book deals with infidelity (the main character falls in love with, seduces, and ultimately marries a married man she works with), I would say that she's got issues with a capital I, and monogamy is one of them.

Also, sloppy-ass research annoys me.

Date: 2006-01-26 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tangleofthorns.livejournal.com
I've only ever read her articles, but I have found that there is really only one thing ever to be said about Ayelet Waldman: Bitch crazy.

Date: 2006-01-26 07:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] therealjae.livejournal.com
Ha! See my comment. *snicker*

-J

Date: 2006-01-26 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tangleofthorns.livejournal.com
HAH! Oh, panda minds think alike.

Date: 2006-01-26 07:44 pm (UTC)
ext_2918: (polygecko)
From: [identity profile] therealjae.livejournal.com
As I understand it from one person who is unfortunately intimately familiar with her writing, Ayelet Waldman is *batshit crazy*. Like, completely off the deep end, stay-away-from-her-and-everything-she-touches-at-all-costs crazy. But wow, this is pretty lousy.

-J

Date: 2006-01-26 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Of course, now I'm intrigued. ;-)

It was such a bizarre thing to come across in the middle of a mystery. I mean, how many people have even heard of newsgroups?

Date: 2006-01-26 09:51 pm (UTC)
ext_2918: (Default)
From: [identity profile] therealjae.livejournal.com
Ask [livejournal.com profile] tangleofthorns. She can give you an exhaustive, albeit incomplete, list of Waldman's batshit-craziness.

-J

Date: 2006-01-26 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kightp.livejournal.com
I don't have the time to DejaGoogle it, but I'm pretty sure someone posted that exact excerpt in a.p not too long ago. And massive, collective eye-rolling ensued. (-:

Note to Prospective Authors: If you're going to use Teh Internets as a character in your next novel, please do the courtesy of actually spending some time, you know, researching it before you write.

And no, looking at a list of newsgroups and finding one named "alt.polyamory" does not constitute sufficient research.

Date: 2006-01-26 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wcg.livejournal.com
What? You mean alt.callahans isn't a place where the IRA raises money?

Date: 2006-01-26 08:46 pm (UTC)
ailbhe: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ailbhe
I'm not sure, myself.

Date: 2006-01-26 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edschweppe.livejournal.com
You mean alt.callahans isn't a place where the IRA raises money?

Well, every time I spent lots of time in alt.callahans, I noticed that my IRA didn't get any more money in it ...

Date: 2006-01-26 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] richtermom.livejournal.com
She was old school. Her cursor highlighted her favorite newsgroup, and immediately upon hitting return, her killfile whirled into action. Numbers few across the bottom of her screen, and a little ascii whirligig spun.

She made a pot of coffee, watered her plants and flossed her teeth.

Her return was well timed. She saw the last circuit of the spinny thing before the final pronouncement: "No new articles."

Date: 2006-01-26 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!

That really is so entirely unfair.

Get well soon, and I hope you find something better researched to read next. Sarah Caudwell's very nice.

Date: 2006-01-26 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnpalmer.livejournal.com
Yes, it was brought up. A few folks were amused; others were appalled.

I just have to wonder if the person bothered to read alt.poly at all before writing that bit, and if so, which posts.

(Though it's interesting. I could imagine an alt.poly regular starting a thread "What alt.polyamory is all about", and spewing cliches and such, and having the other folks join in, and having it be taken seriously by someone who read *just* that thread.)

Date: 2006-01-27 07:58 am (UTC)

Date: 2006-01-27 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] epi-lj.livejournal.com
You know, I knew that when I suggested that newbie surprise their spouse with their partner in bed it was going to come back to haunt me someday.

Date: 2006-02-06 02:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lcohen
*laugh* oh god. side-splittingly funny.

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