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1. Alex's socks keep coming off, even when I put her shoes on to anchor them. Sometimes she takes them off on purpose, but she also has several pairs that just tend to fall off under normal playing conditions. Our house is very cold.

This afternoon, she picked up a fallen sock and handed it to me. Then she put her hand on her bare foot (the other still had a sock on it) and looked at me intently. Her meaning couldn't have been clearer, and it was certainly confirmed when - instead of immediately crawling away when I tried to put the sock on, as she normally does - she sat still and let me do it.

2. She was playing behind the gold chair, and I was sitting on the couch with my book.

"Where's Alex?" I called. She peeked around the corner of the chair and grinned at me, and I grinned back and said, "there she is!!"

That was pretty fun, so we repeated it a couple of times. Then she ducked behind the chair yet again. I obediently asked, "Where's my li'l baby?" And she crawled all the way around the other side of the chair to peek at me from the far side.

This time she laughed out loud, and so did I. Because probably humans have been pulling that trick for thousands of years, and today Alex invented it all by herself.

3. Someone gave her a bright pink hat. It's too big for her, but it's in one of her clothing bins anyway, and sometimes she'll pull it out. It has a bobble on top that seems to fascinate her. So she plays with it, and usually when she does I say something like, "Oh, there's your hat!"

Today she tried to put it on. And failed miserably, of course, because her dexterity is not the best and because squeezing your head into a knit stocking cap can be tricky. But here's the thing: she knew that it was supposed to go on her head, and she knew approximately how it worked - either because I've called it a hat before, or because she recognized that it was a hat.[1] Either way, that's pretty cool.

The thing about all three of these feats is that they are utterly trivial. They represent such elementary understandings that they barely seem like understandings at all. And yet, watching these achievements emerge in Alex, I'm also aware of how complex they are. To desire to wear socks, first you need to recognize the purpose of that tube of fabric lying on the floor. Then you need to understand, on some level, that wearing the sock will result in a warmer foot. (Before this, she's always seemed to regard socks as mere toys.) Then, assuming that you can't put the sock on yourself, you need to communicate your desire to someone else. Just handing me the sock wasn't enough - she hands me things all the time these days, and usually I say "thank you!" and either hand them back or put them down. She had to find a way to let me know what she wanted me to do with it. It's an astonishing chain of reasoning.


[1] She's quite good at recognizing what a hat is not. Or, at least, that's what I conclude from her mad cackling laughter when I put a cup on my head, or a book, or a rubber duck.

Date: 2006-02-14 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llnaughty.livejournal.com
very neat, i remember those moments! all these things will come at you in waves. when she's older, they'll come less often, but you won't be any less astonished.

Date: 2006-02-14 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
My mother says, "just wait until your child comes home with a fact you didn't know. It's so shocking and wonderful."

Date: 2006-02-14 04:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] melebeth
I love hearing Alex stories. I want a baby so badly, but since I'm not going to be having one any time soon, it's wonderful to watch them grow through my friends.

Date: 2006-02-14 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com
Don't put them down; they're all miracles. And "THERE she is!" is the Best. Game. Ever. I keep trying to make my 15-year-old play it, but she won't.

Date: 2006-02-14 05:12 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] therealjae.livejournal.com
Very cool. I look forward to your comments on her language acquisition!

-J

Date: 2006-02-14 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
I am starting to notice big advances in her receptive language skills, and increasing attempts to communicate using gestures and eye gaze.

For the first time, I feel motivated to try teaching her some signs. Before, I knew theoretically that it was a good idea to sign with your baby, but it never seemed worth the trouble. Now it's obvious that she has stuff to say. So I've come up with six or seven words I think would be useful to her (mama, papa, eat, bottle, read, doggy, go outside), and I'm starting to incorporate them into our conversations.

Date: 2006-02-14 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gtrout.livejournal.com
My sister tells a story about something her daughter (now almost 3) did well before she learned to talk. She kept making this peculiar gesture at her parents, and they had no idea what she was doing, or why... UNTIL a friend recognized it as ASL for 'hungry.' Apparently the little dumpling had learned this at day-care and then failed to instruct her parents on its use.

Watching a beloved child go from 'adorable larva' to 'small person capable of interacting with the world around her' is so miraculous. And you're a marvelous reporter. Thanks for sharing your stories.

Date: 2006-02-14 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kateyule.livejournal.com
Yah, David was awfully glad he knew the ASL for "finished" when the nibling used it to tell him she'd had enough of the swingset.

reasoning!

Date: 2006-02-14 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eeyore-grrl.livejournal.com
is actually quite impressive.

#1 cause and effect.

#2 object permanance.

#3 i'm not sure of the child dev term, but still pretty darned cool.


yay and awww at the same time

Re: reasoning!

Date: 2006-02-14 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
#2 is actually something more than object permanence, which she's had for a while. The key thing I see there is that she deliberately came around to the side where I theoretically wasn't expecting her. (In reality, I heard her crawling over.)

Her expression and laughter suggest that she expected me to be surprised. And that in turn suggests that she's developing the first glimmerings of a theory of mind - that is, the ability to figure out what other people's mental contents are likely to be.

I'd call #3 concept formation, but that's kind of a vague term.

Re: reasoning!

Date: 2006-02-18 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheripye.livejournal.com
for #2, i'd look at this as the development of a sense of humor -- Alex has made a joke here - utilizing the idea of surprise and theory of mind --it's the unexpected aspect of something - the surprise - that makes us laugh. and she was trying (not consciously perhaps) to get you to laugh -- or she had some idea that what she did, which she thought was funny )what a concept -- funny) would cause the same reaction in you. now that is really very advanced -- i don't mean for her age, but as a quality that sets humans apart from other animals!

(I've been reading your journal for a while but don't think I've ever commented. I was so overwhelmed by taking care of my own three kids that I rarely wrote anything down about their antics or development; reading about Alex triggers waves of memories of things forgotten but I'm oh so happy to be reminded of them.

Date: 2006-02-14 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beaq.livejournal.com
I love this stuff! It's the best!

Date: 2006-02-14 05:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
I am ded of Teh Cuuute. (At least, I think that's how the phrase goes these days.)

Date: 2006-02-14 06:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kcobweb.livejournal.com
"There she is!" is the best game, and always gets a laugh at our house.

Our latest: I say "I'm gonna get you!" and she will cackle madly and go running off to the couch or the bed (whichever is in her line of sight - they are better for collapsing upon than hard tables or chairs), and then turn to look at me and make sure I'm chasing. I often chase in a crawling position, because it gives her a bit of a head start.

Elena still thinks socks are excellent toys - fortunately, moving south means I'm no longer worried about cold toes.

Date: 2006-02-14 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Alex loves to be chased, but sometimes it's so exciting that she can't quite manage to run away - she has to just burrow in place, laughing.

The cutest example of this was the time that, as soon as I said "Heeeeeeere comes Mama!", she leaned back against my thigh and ducked her head down, shrieking with laughter. Good concealment skills, there, sweetie.

Date: 2006-02-14 07:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saoba.livejournal.com
Such a clever girl!

It's such fun watching them at this age, there's an almost constant ping noise as they put together how the world works. And the way their little faces light up when you Get It is fun too.

Date: 2006-02-14 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kightp.livejournal.com
I so enjoy it when you write about the mundane little miracles of living with Alex. You're such a good observer and reporter that I feel as if I'm coming to know this complex, bright, interesting little flame of a child, and it's quite the vicarious pleasure.

Date: 2006-02-14 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roadnotes.livejournal.com
Baby reasoning is amazing and awe-inspiring. And I love these tales of her development.

Date: 2006-02-14 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telerib.livejournal.com
The thing about all three of these feats is that they are utterly trivial.

Speaking as an AI/robotics researcher? They most certainly are not! The things we tend to think of as trivial - even, say, understand what we're seeing - are usually the absolute hardest to implement.

And when we do finally get something working, it's brittle as all get-out. We could probably build a robot that could reason about socks, or hats (and we've actually done a basic hide-n-seek robot here at NRL, inspired by one of the researcher's children), but all of them? Plus face and voice recognition, robust object manipulation... Heck no. There is no robot as sophisticated as Alex.

Human beings rock.

Date: 2006-02-14 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] riarambles.livejournal.com
I sometimes work with people who just can't *do* the kind of reason and logic that we all take so much for granted, and when I have been working with someone who lacks those abilities, I am always awestruck by how much sheer processing power most of us have. It's one of those things that I never really truly appreciated for what it was until I interacted with people who had severe trouble with it.

Date: 2006-02-14 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geekymary.livejournal.com
Those stories are wonderful. That's one of my favorite things about being a mom- Eddie pretty much forces me to take notice of things and stay present so I can really enjoy my time with thim. And it's all little things. Little, wonderful, things.

Oh, and by the way, Old Navy socks stay on really well. You might want to try them. :)

Date: 2006-02-14 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com
And on top of everything else, this is fascinating to read.

Thank you.

Date: 2006-02-14 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baratron.livejournal.com
Have I blethered at you about dogs yet?

If not: you know the way that at some age, kids magically recognise what a dog is. HOW do they do this? You look at different types of dogs - the labrador (which is the stereotype/default for "dog" in my head), a Scottie dog (Highland Terrier), a Great Dane, a husky, a greyhound, a German Shepherd, a chihuahua (sp?)... they look like completely different animals, some of them. And yet, a child aged about 3 or 4 can recognise that all of them are dogs, while all the different kinds of domestic cat are cats. They're not just going on the four legs + tail + WOOF or MEOW, because they can identify the difference in pictures without hearing the sound. So how do they do it? I want to know!

Like the artificial intelligence person who commented, some of these fundamental things that we're able to do that seem terribly simple concepts actually aren't at all, and it's amazing at what a young age kids start showing that they are intelligent beings.

Date: 2006-02-15 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Yeah, that whole question of how people sort things into categories is a fascinating cognitive psych question. It's even more extreme when you think of fuzzier categories (okay, okay, some dogs are very fuzzy, but bear with me) like "chair." What characteristics do all chairs have in common? They don't all have legs - plenty of armchairs have a solid base. You can't sit on all of them - a dollhouse-sized chair is still a chair. They don't even all have a seat - think of a beanbag chair. And yet somehow we recognize that all members of the category are chairs.

It turns out that instead of having a mental checklist of required features, for most common objects we mentally compare them to a prototype. The closer something is to your prototype object, the quicker and more certain you are about labeling it as $object. So if your prototype dog is a Labrador, you might take miliseconds longer to agree that, say, a chihuahua is a dog. Or a Mexican hairless. Or a pulli.

Tiny kids don't have their prototypes very well refined yet. In a year or so, Alex is likely to refer to all medium-sized animals as "doggy." But you're right, they do learn - and quicker than it makes any sense that they should.

Date: 2006-02-15 12:21 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
A further interesting thing is how they work out that representations, sometimes quite abstracted representations of things, fit into the categories. My Lilli (now 2) worked out at 12 months that there was a category "duck" into which she put all birds. Soon that was subdivided into Cockatoo duck, and sparrow duck and ibis duck and all the other bird names she learned. But then she started pointing out Big Bird duck and a silhouette sorting game duck, and even her 5 year old brother's picture of a penguin as a penguin duck (believe me, it didn't really look like a penguin either). It's constantly fascinating. Now, at 2 and 3 months she still calls one of her toys a "cockatoo duck", but it's in a nostalgic "wasn't I silly" kind of way. The parrots in the tree outside her window are just parrots.

Lovely to read about Alex.

cheers

Emma

Date: 2006-02-15 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
I don't think I realized that your kids were so young! Somehow I had the impression that you had school-aged kids.

Piaget wrote a lot about this process. He said that toddlers and preschoolers start out by trying to slot new things into their existing mental concepts, which he called "assimilation." Then, gradually, they start redefining their mental categories to better fit the new information they've encountered, which Piaget called "accommodation." So they move forward by constant refinement and reshuffling. Isn't it fun to watch it work?

Young, old, everything in between

Date: 2006-02-18 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm one of those people who didn't do it all at once, Rivka. I have a 17-year-old daughter currently on an exchange year in Italy, two 15-year-old boys currently driving me batty, a 5-year-old boy who has just started school and a 2-year-old, the Lilli mentioned above, who is the apple of everyone's eye. It's even more fun (in a bittersweet way) seeing all of this cognition happen this time round, when I have the knowledge that it all passes so quickly, and before you know it they are independent and on the other side of the world.

cheers
Emma

Date: 2006-02-15 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com
One of my cousin's daughters worked out that the superlative adjective was "apple." It made sense to her because her favorite juice was apple juice. And for a while, she had her apple dress and her apple shoes and her apple baby and so on. This is the sort of thing that she can be embarrassed about, now she is 12 or so, but we were and are charmed by it.

K.

Date: 2006-02-15 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baldanders.livejournal.com
I love these posts.

Date: 2006-02-17 02:42 am (UTC)

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