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I just got permission from Lydia to schedule vacation for the week of July 16-22. So we're going to SUUSI - the Southeast Unitarian-Universalist Summer Institute - this summer. I am so excited.

I think this will be a stretch experience. Neither of us has ever done anything quite like this before - like a con, but with workshops and trips instead of panels and room parties; like the church family retreats or youth group trips I went on as a teenager, but with 1000 strangers instead of just our own church; and, hopefully, nothing at all like the church camp Michael attended as a child. I know that it will be a stretch for me to push past my own shyness and really participate in the intentional community aspects of SUUSI.

But it should also be so much fun. It's being held in a beautiful, beautiful part of the country - Blacksburg, VA, in the Appalachian mountains. I've signed up for two "nature trips" - a canoe trip down the New River as evening turns to night, and a all-ages hike to Poverty Creek for which I plan to wear Alex in a backpack. Michael's planning a trip to a mountaintop winery, and possibly a kayaking trip. And there are workshops: I'm going to take a sushi-making class and a workshop about using Christian myths in Unitarian churches. There's dancing every night! Two beer tastings! A coffeehouse for discussion and games! Concerts by nationally-touring artists every night, plus a cabaret! Worship services every evening! ...Okay, maybe that part doesn't sound fun to you guys.

There's children's programming too, but I expect we'll be treating it as a drop-in playgroup rather than leaving Alex there. More critically, there's a childcare co-op for the post-bedtime hours. In exchange for being on duty for one 2.5-hour shift each, we'll be free to spend the rest of our late evenings going to programming or taking long, romantic walks.

(I am glossing over the part where we'll be sleeping in college dorms and eating in the dining hall. But I still think it will be great.)

Date: 2006-05-02 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sistercoyote.livejournal.com
/envy

Enjoy!

backpacks

Date: 2006-05-02 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] journeywoman.livejournal.com
I just got an Ergo carrier, and I LOVE it. Much lighter and more comfortable for me than our external framepack Kelty carrier, which throws off my center of gravity because the kid is so far away from my back, and much easier to get on and off. But I'm not sure if I'd like wearing the Ergo on a hot muggy day, so it might not be so appealing for a summer hike in Virginia.

Re: backpacks

Date: 2006-05-02 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] journeywoman.livejournal.com
Also, I'm intrigued by the workshop on using Christian myths in a Unitarian setting. I'd love to hear more about it after you get back. :)

Re: backpacks

Date: 2006-05-02 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kcobweb.livejournal.com
I'm so intrigued by that. We need something along these lines..... We might have to get one, so that hiking can happen. That would make [livejournal.com profile] galagan very happy.

Re: backpacks

Date: 2006-05-02 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] journeywoman.livejournal.com
Until the Ergo, E has hated pretty much every carrier I've tried with him except the Baby Bjorn, which made my back hurt after he hit about 13 lbs. I've heard good reviews of the Ergo for a while, but I wasn't sure how much use I'd get out of a carrier once he started walking.

He still wants "up" all the time, so I got an older one off the Trading Post to try. We've used it almost every day since it came. Shopping trips are easier, cooking is easier. He never fusses in the Ergo, unlike when he's in a shopping cart (about 25% of the time he wants out). I don't know if I'd like it for an extended hike, but then, I think pretty much any baby carrier would get uncomfortable. A lot of people use the Ergo for hiking and like it.

http://thebabywearer.com has a FSOT board that doesn't have any membership requirements to view.

Re: backpacks

Date: 2006-05-02 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
I'm so glad to hear that you love it, because I just totally pressured my sister into buying one. :-)

She's adopting a baby, who will probably be 6-8mos old when she comes home. I did some poking around in the MDC babywearing forum and found that people with older/bigger babies really seemed to love the Ergo, and then I got to see one in real life at story hour.

I try not to be a babywearing zealot - I don't think there's anything at all wrong with strollers. But my sister is going to be a single mother, and she lives in a place that gets a lot of snow, so I think that for her a good carrier will really be essential. She bought an Ergo this weekend.

Re: backpacks

Date: 2006-05-02 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] journeywoman.livejournal.com
Oh yeah, nothing wrong with strollers, but if her kiddo is as clingy as mine, she will LOVE the Ergo. I hope. :)

One caveat: the back carry is simple for me because E can walk around to my back and I can hoist him up. I think it might be a little tougher to do if the baby cannot stand independently.

Re: backpacks

Date: 2006-05-02 08:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ailbhe
I just went and looked this up - I was getting all excited - but the waist strap only goes down to 28", which isn't much use to me unless I'm pregnant :(

We have a back-carrier like a rucksack where the baby sits up high and can see over the parent's head; it has plenty of rucksack space, too. Absolutely not suitable for young babies though. For that we have a hug-a-bub.

Re: backpacks

Date: 2006-05-02 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] journeywoman.livejournal.com
I think my waist is also smaller than 28", but I haven't cinched the waist strap all the way down. I think it may be the moderate bulk of my typical clothes (sweater over jeans). And I have the waist strap slightly lower than my waist so that the weight is carried more by my hips. So it might work for you?

Re: backpacks

Date: 2006-05-02 08:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ailbhe
I think it's probably not worth the cost of the experiment, given that a standard ladies' rucksack is too large for me and I had to get a complicated fancypants one ordered in... It's probably good for me not to buy Yet Another Baby Carrier anyway.

Re: backpacks

Date: 2006-05-02 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] journeywoman.livejournal.com
Yeah, the price is pretty steep. Maybe you'll see someone locally at some point who has one, and talk to her about it--that's what finally got me to buy one. :)

Date: 2006-05-02 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kcobweb.livejournal.com
I originally thought your subject line said "Vacation! Sushi!", so the fact that there will be a sushi-making class seems quite appropriate to me.

Date: 2006-05-02 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] journeywoman.livejournal.com
Heh, I thought the same thing.

Date: 2006-05-02 06:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
Oooh! Home!

Pictures, please, when you go? I grew up just barely outside of Blacksburg and went to undergrad at Virginia Tech, and I miss it muchly.

Date: 2006-05-02 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Is it as gorgeous as everyone says?

Date: 2006-05-02 06:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
I'm terribly biased, but yes, it is. :)

Date: 2006-05-02 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jilesa.livejournal.com
Heh... I grew up just a couple of hours west of Blacksburg-- across the state line into West Virginia. Blacksburg is probably a little different, given that it's a college town, but where I grew up the saying "It's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there" is entirely apropos. It's stunningly beautiful country, and houses some of the scariest people I've ever met in my life[1]. I'd rather walk in southeast D.C. at midnight carrying a clear plastic bag full of $100 bills than walk down the street in my hometown holding my girlfriend's hand. My parents still live there, and I visit about twice a year, being very careful to keep my mouth shut and my profile low the whole time. :P

[1] Many of whom are, in fact, related to me in some way. I have uneasy relationships with my blood relatives.

Date: 2006-05-02 08:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
Yeah, there is that. Blacksburg is really quite a lot different, at least the parts of it that I know. Although I didn't grow up in Blacksburg itself, the little town I did live in (Newport, about ten miles northwest on 460) was an enclave of Democrats even before it started getting lots of college professors from Blacksburg moving in, and that did seem to affect the social climate. And my dad was a college professor, so most of the rest of the people I knew as "community" were also college people.

But, yeah, my wife's experiences of people's attitudes are quite different and rather like yours, even though she only grew up an hour away from where I did, because her community wasn't part of the college influence.

It's a very complicated thing. I'd very much like to move back because of the beauty of the countryside and being close to family and being able to live somewhere with more space than a little suburban apartment, but ... the culture is certainly not silicon valley!

Date: 2006-05-02 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
The couple who strongly encouraged us to come to SUUSI are lesbians with a five-year-old daughter. They moved from VA to MD because MD is so much more GLBT-friendly, but still go back for SUUSI.

So presumably, Blacksburg is very different.

from another b-burg resident . . .

Date: 2006-05-02 06:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jazzfish
The predominance of Hokie Stone on all the university buildings aside, it really is. (And I suppose even the Hokie Stone isn't so bad at first.) Mid-July, everywhere is green green GREEN in a dozen different shades, and the cardinals and goldfinches and red-winged blackbirds are still hanging around. Mountains out your window in the morning, some neat architecture (and some 'box-the-building-came-in' as well, but you can't have everything).

(lengthy paean to the wonders of Appalachian landscape snipped) So, um, yeah. If you don't mind the constant cow smell around the university, it's wonderful.

Re: from another b-burg resident . . .

Date: 2006-05-02 08:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
Constant cow smell around the university? *boggle* I don't remember such a thing at all!

But, then, I grew up there, so I suppose maybe it's something I wouldn't have noticed even if it were there. And also I like the Hokie Stone. (It's not on quite all of the buildings, though. Can you guess my undergrad department there if I tell you that I was in the one that doesn't have any?)

Re: from another b-burg resident . . .

Date: 2006-05-04 01:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jazzfish
It's only bad in the late spring / summer, and on the south end of campus. Sometime recently the Ag department invested in a large manure gun that quite literally sprays manure over a large part of the fields. So, on your way in along Southgate you get a wonderful whiff of "Eww," and depending on your location and the prevailing winds it never really goes away.

A department without Hokie Stone? The only place that comes to mind is Upper Quad, and I didn't think there were any actual departments up there, other than the Corps. (And let me say that I definitely prefer Hokie Stone to red brick.)

. . . ah, right. Your userinfo reminds me of Randolph, the building that looks like a junior high school. :)

Re: from another b-burg resident . . .

Date: 2006-05-04 09:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
Heh. Yup, got it in one guess.

I actually sort of like how Randolph looks, but I've got a soft spot for that 1950s industrial aesthetic if it's taken in moderation.

And, yeah, I was always coming into campus from the north end, so that might have affected the odors as well. How much of the cost of this manure gun was chipped in by clandestine contributions from University of Virginia fraternities, I wonder?

Date: 2006-05-02 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mjlayman.livejournal.com
Yes! I visited my brother there a number of times while he was in school. Back then I could still hike and canoe and climb and so forth and it was a magic place.

Date: 2006-05-02 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] txanne.livejournal.com
Dorms and dining halls make it even more fun--cf. the International Medieval Congress in Kalamazoo. You tend to get all these Big Academic Names making "hamster cordon bleu" jokes and mocking the jello.

Date: 2006-05-02 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnaleigh.livejournal.com
YAY! I'm so glad you're going to be able to go!

Date: 2006-05-02 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tchemgrrl.livejournal.com
It sounds a lot like this place (http://www.starisland.org/StarIsland/Home/Home.htm), where I worked in college. All the people I know that went there for conferences had a fabulous time, in spite or because of the dormlike parts.

Date: 2006-05-04 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Yes, I think it's probably very much like Star Island, except with enough showers for everyone. ;-)

I've heard that working there is an incredible, intense experience.

Date: 2006-05-04 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tchemgrrl.livejournal.com
Heh, yeah, showers, and the ability to escape. :)

It is--or was--really intense in that particular way a bunch of college kids under stress can create intensity. I think the people who had been going to conferences all their lives generally had much more positive experiences than people like me who'd never been.

On the other hand, I met my husband there, which was ample compensation for a rough summer.

Date: 2006-05-02 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janetmiles.livejournal.com
I have friends who go to SUUSI every year (or anyway used to; don't know if they still do). They speak very well of it.

Date: 2006-05-04 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
What did you end up deciding about UU? I know you went to a church at least once...

Date: 2006-05-02 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edschweppe.livejournal.com
There's dancing every night! Two beer tastings! A coffeehouse for discussion and games! Concerts by nationally-touring artists every night, plus a cabaret! Worship services every evening! ...Okay, maybe that part doesn't sound fun to you guys.
Harumph. Sez who nightly UU worship doesn't sound fun? The whole program sounds wonderful, and I'm glad you're going.

(Note to self: need a flaming chalice upserpic ...)

Date: 2006-05-03 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] juthwara.livejournal.com
Wow, that does sound like fun! My husband is Quaker, and I keep hoping that one of these years we'll make it to Friends General Conference, which is a similar sort of thing to SUUSI (with probably many of the same type of people, no doubt!).

Date: 2006-05-03 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uilos.livejournal.com
As someone who moved out of Blacksburg last August, it is indeed a lovely place, made more beautiful in the summer by the fact that most of the college students go away. I particularly miss the morning fog and the groundhogs along 460 headed towards campus and the sheer number of stars in the sky out there.

The hands-down best place to eat in town is Zeppoli's. Very nice little Italian place that no one seems to know about. It hides behind the Blockbuster on Tom's Creek Road. I haven't found anything up here in Maryland to rival it but then I haven't really been up here (Rockville) long enough to get all the good places scoped out.

Having said that, the dining halls have been winning all sorts of food awards the last few years and depending on which dorm you end up in you might even have air conditioning. Fair warning that if you don't like the current weather, wait half an hour and it'll change on you.

I'll go back to lurking now.

Date: 2006-05-04 09:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
I definitely would second the recommendation of Zeppoli's. Also Boudreaux, on Main Street, for cajun food.

Also, agreed on the stars -- if you get a chance, find a spot away from the town lights one night and spend 15 minutes or so getting acclimated to the dark. They're breathtaking.

Date: 2006-05-08 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
Also, agreed on the stars -- if you get a chance, find a spot away from the town lights one night and spend 15 minutes or so getting acclimated to the dark.

I've signed up for a nighttime canoe trip, so that should do the trick. I'm looking forward to it!

Date: 2006-05-03 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selki.livejournal.com
It sounds marvelous!

Maybe I should try a UU service sometime.

Date: 2006-05-03 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivka.livejournal.com
One of the best UU churches in the country is in DC - All Souls Church, Unitarian (http://www.all-souls.org/). The minister is amazing - he gave a guest sermon at our church once, and I was blown away. They also have a fantastic choir.

Worth checking out, for sure!

Date: 2006-05-03 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfshaman.livejournal.com
My wife have been to SWIM (http://www.swimuu.org/) (similar to SUUSI) twice and have enjoyed our selves immensely. The UUs are a great group of people and the camp really encourages community. Have fun! !

Date: 2006-05-03 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sashajwolf.livejournal.com
That looks great!

Date: 2006-05-04 04:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lcohen
oooh--i hope you all have a fabulous time!

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