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With practice, I have figured out how the intelligent mother reads the message boards at mothering.com. You find a couple of sane boards (I skim "Toddlers" and read "Learning at School" and "Learning at Home & Beyond"). Perhaps you look for second-hand Hanna Anderssen clothes in the Trading Post. You avoid the "Gentle Discipline" board unless you're feeling reckless and/or bulletproof. And you figure out which boards you personally should never, ever, ever open up even for a moment, or even let your eyes stray to the teaser subject line next to the board title. For me? That would be "Lactivism" and "Vaccinations."

Nothing good comes of relaxing that last rule. Nooooo-thing. But today I saw a subject line in the teaser spot, and I was weak.

I expect that this post will ultimately disappear - it's already been locked by the mods - and I want to preserve it just because otherwise it would be hard to believe that I really had seen someone say this - and other people agree with her.

Poor vaxed babes...

Whenever I am out and see other little kids, I automatically assume they have been vaccinated and all I can think is, "that poor child!" I think about the vaccines doing their dirty deeds inside the children. Especially when the kids don't have that "spark" that children should have...

And I occasionally think about something MT said once, about her sons not finding partners that have been untouched by vaccines. I think about how my ds is probably going to end up with someone that has been "altered" by vaccines.

Does anyone else do this? Or am I just a nut??


Later on, after some agreement (e.g., "There is a difference between vaxed and unvaxed babies. I know the "spark" that you're refering to. I try not to think about it anymore. But I also wonder about all the poor babies I see and I wonder who they could of been and how much healthier might they be had their systems not been tainted by vaxes.") and quite a few challenges, she clarifies that of course she doesn't think that vaccines are the only thing bad, evil mainstream mothers do to take away their children's spark:

There are most likely many other factors at play - parenting, food choices, other medications like antibiotics, etc. I think the mamas here on MDC are mostly (not ALL, but mostly) more holistic than most mainstream mamas, so know that the choices we make with our children affect their health.

My all-time favorite of the responses she got before the post was locked:

My dd was not vaxed, but don't worry - when you look at her and don't see that 'spark' you look for in children you can blame it on the fact that she was supplemented with formula when she was an infant.

(btw, I think she has a spark. Are you so sure other people see this spark in YOUR kids? Don't we all think OUR kids have 'the spark'?)


I might have more to say about this later, or I might not. Right now... I guess I just feel like this mindset is an important one to bookmark.



(Plus, it's a chance to use my other new icon. The text is tiny-tiny, I know: it reads "Pseudoscience: Is It Catching Up To Real Science?")

Date: 2007-01-09 08:52 pm (UTC)
eeyorerin: (bandaid penguin)
From: [personal profile] eeyorerin
Oh geez.

So I suppose my dad, who survived polio (which he caught before vaccinations for it were widely available), still has the spark?

How long has this anti-vaccination mindset been so wide-spread? It seems very recent to me -- or is that just because the Internet makes it more visible now and people have been thinking things like this for ages? (Or maybe it's not very prevalent and I just run into it a lot.)

And now I'm picturing one of those mothers demanding in the future to see vaccination records for all of her son's partners, and just cracking up.

Date: 2007-01-09 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyvonkulp.livejournal.com
But can you prove a negative?

Date: 2007-01-09 09:13 pm (UTC)
ailbhe: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ailbhe
Blood tests! "Sorry, Uish Fyllfyllmnt, your new partner is immune to polio, chicken pox, measles, mumps, and the most recent flu. You're not to bring them home any more."

"But mom! She's a nurse!"

"I can't believe any child of mine could consider partnering someone who upholds the mainstream medical oppressors! Begone from my dwelling instantly!"

Date: 2007-01-10 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shandra.livejournal.com
I'd hazard a guess that it has been gaining ground post my generation (b. 1971), where our older sibs sometimes had had things like the mumps but our younger sibs never got them because... they'd been vaccinated.

Date: 2007-01-11 05:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] micheinnz.livejournal.com
When I was pregnant, I was put under pressure not to vaccinate Agent Weasel from a granola-crunchy former-partner-of-a-friend. Fortunately she stopped the first time told her to.

That was in 1997.

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