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[rivka]

It's possible that, elsewhere on the net, I am going to be forced to kill someone.

"I was young and now I am old, yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken or their children begging bread." (Psalms 37:25) is quite possibly the most repellent and disgusting verse in the entire Bible, Y/Y?

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[marnanel.livejournal.com]

So according to this person, if a person is righteous, they will not be forsaken, and therefore any forsaken person is not righteous.

So, um. That Jesus bloke. (http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=157475339) Are they going to say he wasn't actually righteous (which has severe repercussions in soteriology), or that he wasn't actually forsaken (which... has severe repercussions in soteriology)?

[icecreamempress.livejournal.com]

This is from Psalms, so; I don't think "David" or David was expected to have precognition of Jesus. I assume that in Christian soteriology this is handwaved away as "errors of the old dispensation" (like the whole mixed cloths thing) though I honestly do not remember ever seeing a discussion of it anywhere in the Patriologia Latina on down.

[marnanel.livejournal.com]

*I* know that, and *you* know that, but I am trying to guess what this person who believes that the righteous will never be forsaken thinks.

[txanne.livejournal.com]

No sweat! He just *thought* he'd been forsaken. God was right there with him the whole time, what with that whole being of one substance thing.

[marnanel.livejournal.com]

If I ever met someone who advanced this case, I would ask them politely to explain the Atonement to me.

[mjlayman.livejournal.com]

My parents belonged to a strict fundamentalist evangelical sect and when Mother got breast cancer, many people in their church said she didn't believe in god. I know she believed in her god.

[glinda-w.livejournal.com]

Oh ghods. My mother occasionally got that (not from our church, but others): If she truly believed, she wouldn't be blind.

People that act that way are *evil*. It's the first sort of victim-blaming I ever encountered.

*grrrrrr*

[micheinnz.livejournal.com]

It's classical magical thinking. If you do Everything Right, then you'll be okay. If you're not okay, you must have done something wrong, so it's YOUR FAULT.

I much prefer a world where shit just happens, y'know?

[lizzibabe.livejournal.com]

I entirely agree.

[patgreene.livejournal.com]

The Jesus bloke was referencing Psalm 22, which begins with the same words. It ends though, with the psalmist happy and secure and praising God in the congregation, and the implication is that Jesus likewise will move from being forsaken to being rescued.

[marnanel.livejournal.com]

I'm aware of this, but the point remains that he *was* forsaken, at least for a time. If I make no mistake, the person mentioned in this post appears to believe that righteous people do not get forsaken at all.